Title: Visit Precis: Herr Dietmar B

Release Date: 2014-06-18

Document Date: 2013-01-01

Description: This background paper briefs issues to be discussed for a visit of senior BND personnel to Fort Meade, including Special Source Operations collaboration on a cable tap codenamed WHARPDRIVE: see the Der Spiegel article New NSA Revelations: Inside Snowden’s Germany File, 18 June 2014. media-34117

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VISIT PRÉCIS

Hr. Dietmar

Director S1GINT Analysis and Production
Germait Fédéral Intelligence Service (BND)
30 April - 1 May 2013

SID DIR Courtesy Cal: 30 April 2013, 1100-1130

SUSLOL Designee; Mr.

Chief SSG; Ms.

Ci DO Germany

ParticinantsjMr.
Designee; Ms.

D/DA; Mr.
,SUSLAG

(U) BACKGROUND:

* (5/REL TO USA, FVEY) Hr. assumed his cur lent position in

2011 and is marking his second visit to NS A. He is rumored to be under consideration to
become the next S1GJNT Dilector, succeeding MG Hartmut He will be

accompanied by Hr. Wilfried IBND leadership:

Hr. And leas Director, BND Cyber Defense Center

^^^^^^^^^^^Chief, Tasking and Customer Relations

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(U) PURPOSE OF THE VISIT:

■ (S//REL TO USA, FVEY) Discussions dullng the third Strategic Planning Conference
(SPC) will focus on topics of mutual interest and future areas of collaboration. With
NSA’s encouragement, the Germans ate coming prepared to define specific capabilities
in potential new areas of analytic and Computer Network Defense (CND) collaboration.
This SPC will present an opportunity for NSA/CSS leadership to assess the BND’s
contributions and reiterate their commitment to the German partnership. SID DIR’s
discussions will set the tone for a productive conference.

(U) VISITOR R EQUESTED:

■ (TS//S1 REL TO USA, DEU) The BND is eager to present its SlGlN^apabilities and

gaps on the targets and with the goal

of expanding the partnership. Their delegation includes several senior analysts, who are
prepared to engage NS A leadership in identifying areas of mutual cooperation. The BND
also is prepared to discuss progress of the new BND Cyber Defense Center and the
policies and authorities governing the mission, while seeking lessons learned from NS A.

(U) NSA/CSS REQUESTED: (TS//S1//NF) Status of BND-NSA bilateral initiatives,
highlighting:

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* Enhanced CT analytic and S1GDEV technical cooperation with BND and BfV (Federal
Office for the Protection of the Constitution) given the formalization of the NSA-BfV
SJOINT partnership in March 2013.

* Discussion of German policies/authorities of the new BND Cyber Defense Center and
collaboration with the defensive mission; NTOC will brief TUTELAGE

* Status and Special Source access programs

* Getmany’s support to the SJGJNT Coalition and continued support

in^^^^^^Bfor the SJGJNT Counter-IE D mission and global 1ED threat.

(U) CYBERCOM REQUESTED: N/A.

(U) COMMON THREADS: (TS//S1, REL TO USA, DEU)

■ NS A welcomes the BND’s eagerness to strengthen and expand cooperation with NS A

* investing in BND’s technical expertise to support the BfV and other German services
could bolster Germany’s effectiveness against terrorism and cyber threats

(U) KEY TOPICS _______

* (S REL TO USA, DEU) Thank Hr. B^^^H for the close partnership that NS A enjoys
with the BND

* (S//SJ//REL TO USA, FVEY) Enhancing the technical and analytical capabilities of our
Getman intelligence pa it nets will bet ter-equip Getmany to counter terrorists; NSA’s
desire to partner closely with both BND and BfV

* (TS//S1 REL TO USA, DEU) NSA’s willingness to explore newr areas of cooperation
that fill mutual intelligence gaps

(U)KEY TAKEAWAYS:

1. (TS//SJ/REL TO USA, DEU) Expanding the Scope of Bilateral Cooperation: During
recent meetings with BND leadership. PIRNS A, DP JR. and SJD encouraged the BND to
define

discussion at the SPC. Thank the BND for coming so wrell prepared to discuss its potential
contribution in these area and to give NS A the oppoitunity to evaluate wrhere a formal
bilateral partnership at the TS//S1 level has the most promise.

2. (S//SJ//REL TO USA, DEU) Counterterrorism: Share that NS A received ODN1
approval in March 2013 to establish a formal CT relationship with the BfV and anticipates
increasing synergy against the target with BND/BfV/NSA collaboration; ASA Also has
signed the Terms of Reference to provision XKEYSCORE technology to the BfV. Thank the
BND for its leadership in providing technical solutions/support to the BfV.

3. (TS//S1//REL TO USA, DEU) Computer Network Defense: Commend Getmany for
establishing the BND Cyber Defense Center in Berlin and the National Cyber Defense
Centre in Bonn. Encourage BND/ BfV/ BSJ (Information Assurance Service) collaboration to
leverage SJGJNT support to CND. Share that NS A is eager to learn more about German
cyber authorities and is prepared to offer lessons learned and technical presentations,
including TUT EL AGE, to aid in the development of German SJGJNT support to CND.

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■ (TS//S1//RELTO USA, DEU) BNP Collaboration with Special Source
Ope rat ¡pus fSSOh WHARPDRIVE fEMERALDl Thank the BND for their
assistance with the ttilateral program, acknowledging recent delays due to funding
constraints by both partners. Reassure that the BND is the program lead writh NSA
playing a technical support role. For background only, WHARPDRIVE has been
identified for possible termination due to fiscal constraints, but the partners have nor
been informed.

5. (TS//S1//REL TO USA, DEU) Middle East & Africa: Thank the BKD for providing West
African language assistance used by h ig h-lev el officials; State that NSA is

Looking forward to learning more about the BND’s capabilities

G. (TS//S1//REL TO USA, DEU) AFSC: Commend the Germans for their support and
leadership in RC-North Multinational S1GJNT Cell and their efforts to contribute to Division
-of-Effort Reporting on governance tai^gets. Explain that German support
will be critical in maintaining necessary threat warning and force protection in 2013/14 as
MES becomes a logistical hub and potential egress route into^^^^^J Regarding the
post-2014 disposition of U,S. forces, state that the coalition partners will discuss this topic at
the early May 2013 AFSC conference in Denmark.

7. (S//S1//REL TO USA, DEU) Courtier-IED: Thank the BND for supporting the Counter-
1ED mission in RC-North and for engaging the C1ED SJGJNT Senior^urope (SSEUR)
venues. NSA looks forward to continued cooperation in the post 2014

environment on a global basis.

a. (S//REL TO USA, DEU) NSA Manning at Bad Aiblhtg Post-Summer 2013: At the

DDIR’s request in January 2013, SID re-evaluated the technical presence at SUSLAG.
Convey that NSA has difficult choices to make in this challenging fiscal climate and will
continue to keep the BND’s request for consideration. Reference the availability of VTC, the
European Technical Center (ETC), and the CHA1TERII communications tool to provide
assistance.

(U) VISIT FORMAT:

(TS//5 1//RE L TO USA, DEL) The BND will provide briefings on|

as wrell as on Getmany’s posture on CND.

(TS//5 L'/RE L TO USA, DEU) NSA Participants: SID DIR, D'DIR FA,

ADD/Acquisition; ADD/CT; GCM South Asia; GCM International Crime & Narcotics;

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GCM Middle East & Africa; D/GCM CT; D/GCM International Security Issues; Chief
SJGDEV; D/CH NTOC

(U) PREVIOUS VISITS AND RESPECTIVE TOPICS: Hr. B^^Hfirst visited NSA in

December 2011 for familiarization with NSA’s mission and discussions with SID leadership.

(TS//S1//NF) POTENTIAL LANDMINES:

* (TS//S17NF) SKYPE: The Germans may bring up the subject of SKYPE. NSA’s
response has been that it has had some success working SKYPE via tailored access at the
end point by gaining access to one or more of the computers involved in the session.
When Hr. Klaus-Filtsche (State Secretary, Germany Ministry of Interior) sought NSA’s
assistance writh intercepting SKYPE transmissions during a 10 January 2012 meeting
with D1RNSA, D1RNSA suggested the DM Representative Berlin take the lead in
arranging an exchange to include CIA, FBI and NSA. Should the partner raise this issue
again, recommend that NSA once again redirects them to FBI and CIA.

(U) OTHER INFORMATION: ______

* (S//NF) BlOs: L^^Hand

* (TS//SI//NF) Talking Point Papers: S2A, S2E, S2G, S21, S3, and NTOC

(U//FOUO) CDO Germany,

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